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Dr. Michael Greger: An Outrageous Assault | Pelvic Exams by Med Students on Anesthetized Women 

Please note: This article contains descriptions of sexual assault.

From Heart Failure, a book I wrote about my time at Tufts University School of Medicine: “I am all gloved up, fifth in line. At Tufts, medical students—particularly male students—practice pelvic exams on anesthetized women without their consent and without their knowledge. Women come in for surgery and, once they’re asleep, we all gather around; line forms to the left…We learn more than examination skills. Taking advantage of the woman’s vulnerability—as she lay naked on a table unconscious—we learn that patients are tools to exploit for our education.”

Using female patients to teach pelvic exams without their consent or knowledge remains “a dirty little secret about medical schools.” It is an “age-old” practice that continues to this day in med schools around the world. It’s been referred to as “the ‘vending machine’ model of pelvic exams, in which medical students line up to take their turn…” “Only it’s not a vending machine; it’s a woman’s vagina.”

It’s been called “an outrageous assault upon the dignity and autonomy of the patient…The practice shows a lack of respect for these patients as persons, revealing a moral insensitivity and a misuse of power.” Indeed, “it is yet another example of the way in which physicians abuse their power and have shown themselves unwilling to police themselves in matters of ethics, especially with regard to female patients.” Said a residency-program director at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, “I don’t think any of us even think about it. It’s just so standard as to how you train medical students.”

What happened when this practice came to light in New Zealand? The chair of the New Zealand Medical Association got on television and said: “‘Until recently it wasn’t an issue…I’m very sorry that women feel they’ve been assaulted and violated in this way. That was never our intention.’ He had no idea then, asked the [TV] presenter, that women might object? ‘All I can say is that there have been no objections…’ ‘Could the reason be,’ asked the interviewer logically, “that it’s very hard for an anesthetized woman to know what’s going on?’”

The practice has been defended publicly by many medical schools and hospitals, contending“this touching is entirely appropriate and clearly falls well within the patient’s ‘implied consent’ to carry out the operation.” After all, “patients are aware they are entering a teaching hospital and therefore know that trainees will be actively participating in their care.” However, “researchers have found that many patients do not know when they have interacted with medical students, or even whether they are in a teaching hospital.” How can this be? “Deliberate lies and deception.”

“A survey of medical students found that 100% of them had been introduced to patients as ‘doctor’ by members of the clinical team,” and, as they go through training, there is, as a journal article is titled, an “Erosion in Medical Students’ Attitudes About Telling Patients They Are Students.” “Additionally, as medical students complete their clinical years of training, their sense of responsibility to inform patients that they are students is found to decrease,” especially if there is an opportunity to perform an invasive procedure. That may be why medical students seem to develop a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy when it comes to seeking consent for pelvic examinations on anesthetized patients. More than a third of 1,600 medical students surveyed across the country strongly disagreed with the statement “Hospitals should obtain explicit permission for student involvement in pelvic exams,” as seen below and at 4:03 of my video Medical Students Practice Pelvic Exams on Anesthetized Women Without Their Consent.

After all, doctors “argue that performing a pelvic examination is no more intimate than placing one’s hands inside an abdomen during general surgery or attempting to intubate a patient” and assert that sticking your fingers in a woman’s vagina is “just as intimate” as an ophthalmologist looking into the back of your eye; any claim to the contrary is just “another attempt to justify the obsession with political correctness.” Said one medical school professor, “Personally, I would prefer to see a new generation of well-trained doctors…rather than a nation of women whose vaginas are protected from battery by medical students.”

The national survey concluded: “Patients admitted to teaching hospitals do not, however, by the mere act of admission relinquish their rights as human beings to have ultimate control over their own body and to be involved in decisions concerning their health care.”

Is it possible that women just don’t care? Studies show that up to 100% of women asked said they would want to know that vaginal exams were being performed by medical students. Since patients care deeply about being asked, why can’t we at least ask their permission? “We can’t askwomen,” the medical school faculty replied. “If we do, they might say no.”

It’s jaw-dropping to me that I’m still trying to expose this practice more than 20 years after I first wrote about it. What’s to be done? Ending the Hidden Practice of Pelvic Exams on Unconscious Women Without Their Consent

Key Takeaways

  • Medical students in some teaching hospitals perform pelvic exams on anesthetized women without their consent or knowledge—a long-standing and widely normalized practice that raises serious ethical concerns about patient autonomy and dignity. 
  • The practice persists partly due to institutional deception, a culture of implied consent, and the erosion of students’ ethical standards, especially around transparency and informed patient involvement. 
  • Despite strong evidence that nearly all women would want to be asked for permission, many faculty justify not asking on the grounds that patients might refuse, revealing a systemic prioritization of medical training over patient rights. 

From Nutritionfacts. Included in Vox Populi with permission.

Michael Greger M.D., FACLM

Founder of NutritionFacts.org and a founding member and Fellow of the American College of Lifestyle Medicine, Michael Greger, M.D. FACLM, is a physician, New York Times bestselling author, and internationally recognized speaker on nutrition, food safety, and public health issues. He has lectured at the Conference on World Affairs, testified before Congress, and was honored with the ACLM Lifestyle Medicine Trailblazer Award. He is a graduate of Cornell University School of Agriculture and Tufts University School of Medicine.


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13 comments on “Dr. Michael Greger: An Outrageous Assault | Pelvic Exams by Med Students on Anesthetized Women 

  1. Lisa Zimmerman
    November 25, 2025
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    What century are we living in that this is a current medical school practice? Horrifying.

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    • Vox Populi
      November 26, 2025
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      A friend describes the practice as institutionalized gang rape.

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  2. boehmrosemary
    November 22, 2025
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    Holy shit – I had no idea. “Patients admitted to teaching hospitals do not, however, by the mere act of admission relinquish their rights as human beings to have ultimate control over their own body and to be involved in decisions concerning their health care.” Of course. Next time I have to be operated (I hope there won’t be a next time) I’ll take a lawyer’s letter with me.

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    • Vox Populi
      November 22, 2025
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      Do you believe, Rose Mary, that this kind of medical abuse is common in Latin America as well?

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      • boehmrosemary
        November 22, 2025
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        I have no idea. I had now idea. I can’t even imagine it, not really. I don’t know whom to ask. But I’ll never again go into an op without that letter. Must find out. Don’t know about Europe either.

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  3. jmnewsome93c0e5f9cd
    November 22, 2025
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    As my wife, Pam, died from ovarian cancer, I have very mixed feelings about this medical strategy, in retrospect. Though I’m not sure what she would have said about this practice, either. She was a strong advocate for patient autonomy, and the right to say no. Though she never did say no, to my knowledge, when things were explained by her medical teams. Except once, in the death and dying realm, bless her heart.

    I also wonder if there are other procedures patients under anesthesia routinely receive from students without consent, say, for example, prostate exams. What would I say now to learn students had lined up to do that with me? More mixed feelings.

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    • Vox Populi
      November 22, 2025
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      In my opinion, the patient should have complete authority over any tests or treatments. Medical training or research should never be done without patient consent. I’m horrified by what Dr Greger describes as routine practice.

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      • jmnewsome93c0e5f9cd
        November 22, 2025
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        Intimate exam training exercises should solicit volunteers. And it appears from a quick read online, that many places do it that way. Especially in GB or outside the US. So doable.

        Out of curiosity, I queried with the AI option on google, asking about whether colonoscopies include a prostate exam. The answer: no, the instrument can’t do a manual exam, but that colonoscopy practitioners sometimes do one, as a side opportunity while the male patient is sedated/unaware. So not asked, presumably. But told the results, hopefully. I have never been asked. And thanks for posting this eye-opening article.

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  4. stephanie merrill
    November 22, 2025
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    This is disturbing.

    I’m in the Dr. Michael Greger fan club.

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    • Vox Populi
      November 22, 2025
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      Oh, I am too. I’ve been watching his videos for years. A vegan diet has changed my life.

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      • stephanie merrill
        November 22, 2025
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        Same here. Wish I’d realized sooner than I did.

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        • Vox Populi
          November 22, 2025
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          The benefits of a plant-based diet were not worked out until Campbell’s China Study was published in 2005 after 30 years of research. I became a vegan after reading Fuhrman’s book at the age of 56 in 2010, and I took a certificate in plant-based nutrition at Cornell in 2015. When did you go vegan, Stephanie?

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          • stephanie merrill
            November 22, 2025
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            In 2011 after watching a documentary about how it saved Bill Clinton’s life. The data presented was overwhelming. It was like a switch had been flipped. We read The China Study, the Esselstyn books, and everything we could find. We have not looked back.

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