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John Samuel Tieman: Thank you for your service

At the gym the other day, a few of us old veterans were talking among ourselves. The subject drifted to how tired we are of that “Thank you for your service” thing. One guy said we should stop wearing veteran’s caps and t-shirts and such. But we wear those geeky veterans’ caps to meet other veterans, or to elicit real conversations that begin with stuff like, “Oh, I had a brother in the Air Cav at An Khe …”. And, well, OK, to show off. But if all we get is a “Thank you for your service,” it’s so awkward it’s not worth it.

            Mind you, not all veterans feel negatively about the thanks. Many feel affirmed. But most have profoundly mixed feelings. I did a completely unscientific internet survey of veterans. I asked, simply, how they felt when folks thanked them. Over 600 vets responded. About a third said the “Thank you for your service” was nice. And about two-thirds ran the range from mixed feelings to the negative to, in a few cases, the outright contemptuous. Generally mixed feelings to mildly negative. The word “awkward” came up a lot.

            It’s hard to be completely negative when folks say something nice. I don’t doubt the surface intention of the “Thank you”. My biggest complaint is that, like all cliches, it lacks reflection. It’s not really about dialogue. You can tell that because it’s often so awkward. 

            Human interaction is not singularly about me, nor is it just about you. It’s about what is between us. In the we-ness of this exchange, what tension is in the person, the one doing the thanking, that he or she feels will be discharged by this interaction? In other words, what is it about my “Vietnam Veteran” cap that elicits this interaction? My guess is that the “Thank you” is a psychological defense against a variety of unwanted feelings. 

            All I can really say is how I feel, and what other veterans tell me they feel. And what we feel is that the interaction is stilted, cliched. The results are predictable. The veteran is often relatively unresponsive. What’s the veteran supposed to say? “You’re welcome.” “You should write a thank you to my draft board.” Or “Well, thank you for dodging the draft — it made it so much easier for me to serve.” 

            I often wonder what would happen if I got all effusively grateful? “Oh, your thanks means so much to me. The last ‘Thank you for your service’ I got was from a whore in Nha Trang. What do you say we get a beer, and I’ll tell you about this grunt I knew who collected ears. You want to hear what it’s like to not have a bath for six months?”

            Some years ago, I was in an airport. A soldier sat across from me. His mother and father had just left in tears. He was on his way to Iraq. As he sits there awaiting his imminent departure, he just stares at this hands. This older guy comes up to the soldier and begins the whole “Thank you for your service.” The kid never looks up from his hands.

            Instead of “Thank you for your service,” perhaps folks should say, “I’m so sorry we did this to you.”

            Many veterans are tired of purely symbolic gestures. There is no patriotism without sacrifice. Duty without cost and effort, there is no such thing. You want to thank a veteran? Go to a town hall meeting. Volunteer. Vote. Read a newspaper. Study history. Study Spanish. Don’t get me wrong. Fly the flag – I do. Symbolism is important. But don’t think gestures are all there is to patriotism and duty.

            By the way, the last thing I would have wanted when I got home was a thank you parade. I’d been in plenty of parades. In 1970, I would have regarded it as an irritation. Another thing — no one ever disrespected me for my service. With the exception of the community college, I went to upper class universities. My experience was more one of isolation, meaning I was the only Vietnam veteran I knew.

            Oh, and a couple of other things. I got my thanks. I got the G. I. Bill. From that, I got a house, an education and a career. I also got V. A. medical care, meaning, if I ever need it, state medical care is free for the rest of my life. You’re welcome.

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Copyright 2018 John Samuel Tieman

24 comments on “John Samuel Tieman: Thank you for your service

  1. Matt Gibson
    June 20, 2020

    I didn’t advertise my Vietnam service for many years not until Gulf, Iraq, Afganastan vets started getting some acclaim. I wear some Vietnam military apparel, reason being I don’t want our country to forget the 58,000 plus fellow service people who paid the ultimate price for our country. Never complaining that the reason may have been misguided. I don’t need their thanks I just don’t want them to forget the sacrifice of those who lost their lives.

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  2. Daniel Duty
    June 7, 2020

    Absolutely hit the nail on the head! Would like to share this with my family first, then the rest of the world, it’s about time someone got this shit said, Thanks.

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  3. Albert De Stefanis
    March 29, 2020

    My exact feeling about wearing a veterans hat.I refuse to wear it.I think those who wear it(not all)want to hear that “Thank you” I personally could care less.I did my duty to this country,The people that I care the most about know what I did,That’s enough Thanks for one person.”Me”

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  4. Paul Busse
    March 24, 2020

    Answer to “thank you for your service” is “thank you for your support.” (Not original to me.)

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  5. John Gordon
    March 23, 2020

    John, thank you for your thoughts, a good read.
    The issue of “Thanks for your Service”, when it was becoming popularized.., I like so many of my brothers.., turned to my rear thinking the cashier was speaking to the person behind me…
    I (as a recent retired educator) was at a loss for words…
    Later, finding out that the “Thanks” was part of a formality when showing my military ID for a military discount at my local lumber yard… I thanked the sales person, and didn’t (and don’t) stress the point.
    On Home Coming, we all have our stories… Some humorous, some not…, For me, my ETS’ing out of VietNam, the Army, and having a ticket on the first flight out of SeaTac, Washington, after DWCooper hijacked the first Commercial passenger aircraft from the same Airport began my homecoming odyssey.
    The protesters slept in that day, as I was being frisked while wearing my Class A’s… For what, I know not why…
    John, 1/502nd., Inf. 101st.

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  6. Gene Stewart
    March 23, 2020

    John, I like the “thank you for your service”. At least some people are grateful and not spitting on you. I wear my hat because I am proud of being a Marine and I say ” Thank you for your service” to many of the Korean, WWII Vets because they need it also. I had 2 brothers in Korea one brother in Army stationed in Hawaii and I went to Vietnam as a US Marine. I was wounded and lost many friends over there, but I still served 13 months 8 days there and I hated ever minute of the wet, hot, cold and being shot at and killing people in that non-grateful country. 51 years later, I still have problems with it. I went on the Honor Flight in 2017 and was treated the best I have ever been treated for serving over there. Thank you and I still have a strong bond with my fellow service brothers.

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  7. Dallas
    March 22, 2020

    Share many of your feelings. At the UW Madison in 65-68 and Michigan State U 64-65 was often the only Viet vet in the building. Mostly the younger students were curious, even the anti war folks, some of whom were in my living coop. And I didn’t expect nor need thanks. I was RA, volunteered for VN and did my job as an aircraft electrician as best I could. About the time I was stoney broke, the GI bill came through. I worked hard, had leadership
    Scholarships and with the GI bill was able to buy a new Opel Kadet graduation spring. No thanks needed.
    Dallas Doughty

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  8. Michael Olson
    March 18, 2020

    Thanks or this piece.

    I get his more often now. My driver’s license adds the word “VETERAN” appropriately in bold red letters. WTF is the response?

    You’re welcome?
    Killing isn’t fun?
    I’m actually a draft dodger?
    Thanks, I dodged the Army by volunteering for the USAF?
    Thanks for all the healthcare?
    The healthcare is free but was very costly?
    War scars do fade buy they still last forever?

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  9. dodadagohuhsgi
    January 18, 2020

    “Thank you for your service.” I learned later in life to always be both a gracious giver–AND a gracious receiver. As a decorated Vietnam War veteran when people see my cap and say these words my response is usually “thank YOU. We waited such a long time to hear those words.” And indeed we did–until 1991, to be exact–the beginning of the Persian Gulf War. By then the Wall had been built, and it was generally understood that we had no knowledge of our supposed superiors’ real strategy. I still wear that cap regularly. Perhaps the world can never really thank us enough.–Tom Reilly

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    January 3, 2020

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  11. Bob Bertram
    November 13, 2019

    When a vet returns there are things he/she can say to help those around them understand the conflict the vet experienced. That dialog is spread among the public in many unrecorded ways. The Vietnam vet was censored even shunned, the public for the most part, never got to digest what had happen. This silence widened the rift between those who served and those who didn’t. I grew up with uncles and aunts who served during WWII. I watched and re-watched hours of WWII and Korean war movies and documentaries. From the 60’s to 2001 the Vietnam dialog was often exploitive rather than communicative. So in reflection, maybe the “thanks” that makes many of us uncomfortable was the first step taken to break down the silence between us and the public. -Another way to put this is, the public has a need for closure too.

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  12. Greg Dillahunty
    November 12, 2019

    I remember a in Los Angeles airport walking through the terminal in dress greens, a lady passing in the opposite direction said to me while looking at me as she passed “baby killer!”.
    Weird because it did not really bother me like you might think. I was more than aware that some people in those days had different political and personal views even as young as I was.
    Later in life I realized she was being disrespectful to me and to everyone who was serving in the military because it sure was not about me since she did not know me personally.
    Compared to disrespect for the military I will take “thank you for your service” as a way of saying “I respect those who serve and sacrifice for us by serving in the armed forces “. I believe that’s what people are trying to communicate even if it is awkward.
    Better than ” baby killer” for sure.
    Heck sometimes I think someone needs to say something in acknowledgment to the military families too. Who really shows respect to a military family as a whole for their seperation and sacrifice living separately from the service member of the family who maybe deployed?

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  13. Neil Newcomb
    November 12, 2019

    Yup. There it is, brother. Sometimes I feel like a duffle bag of ambivalence about the whole veteran thing…I’m still leery…don’t wear my “colors” or my cap every day, as some do. That 60s scorn of my contemporary countrymen still stings. But I’m pushing 73 and I don’t have enough time left for retribution.
    But I have noticed something different in the past fifteen or so years: when I do identify myself as a Vietnam Vet, there are people that seem to almost turn and run away…their face and mannerisms display a distinct discomfort at the prospect of proximity. It is hard to describe and I’ve watched it happen to other guys. I get sense that they can’t deal with the fact that we’re a bunch of old guys who’ve finally attained some standing and respect.
    But maybe it’s just me.

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  14. allisonfine
    November 11, 2019

    This is so excellent and I can really totally understand you here. I am not one who thanks veterans because I have been aware of the ambiguity of the entire enterprise since I was 18 in 1967. The world is always at war and our country is sending young men and now women to fight to things they did not create and cannot solve. The cost is enormous. I cannot thank a Veteran but I can express my fervent wish that the human species evolves past this. Thanks for this essay however because it is so clear and honest.

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    • James Sain
      November 12, 2019

      Sorry that “Thank you for your service” affects you in a negative way. I personally appreciate the gesture, I was a Navy Corpsman with the Marines and saw a lot of blood shed and death , plus when I came back to US in Calif., I was greeted by protesters, calling names , throwing trash and calling us baby killers . I left the military, but later rejoined and retired. I feel a strong Brother hood towards military personnel and all that our military does to protect our freedom and I hope the civilians will continue to Thank us for our service. You should go on an Honor Flight to appreciate the kindness shown towards War Veterans.

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  15. Philip F. Clark
    November 11, 2019

    John, thank you so much for this wonderful essay in tribute to all who serve us.

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